The Rock/John Cena Feud

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Guess they feel Cena is untouchable, kind of like HBK putting over Hogan in the fact it doesn't really matter cause he won't lose any drawing power.

I think losing to the Miz is way worse for your  career than The Rock.

I guess my point with the money is... If Rock ONLY would do the match if he won... I'd try to figure out where to go with Cena and pick up the extra 50-60 million, than not allow rock to win and not have the match.

although Cena needs to job more through the year and start picking up some WM victories.

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Another aspect we haven't discussed, is just the one match good?

I know there was talk at one point of a trilogy.  A Summerslam rematch and then a final match at next years 'Mania, but they seem to have gone with one and done.

Personally I like that, makes it seem more special, and if we have another in a few years we won't think, "Oh God, they've already faced each other countless times."  It something that NEEDS to happen more often, I know the build has stretched so long, mainly due to Rock's schedule, but the long build, with one match rather than numerous matches is really benefitial.

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Guess they feel Cena is untouchable, kind of like HBK putting over Hogan in the fact it doesn't really matter cause he won't lose any drawing power.

I think losing to the Miz is way worse for your  career than The Rock.

I guess my point with the money is... If Rock ONLY would do the match if he won... I'd try to figure out where to go with Cena and pick up the extra 50-60 million, than not allow rock to win and not have the match.

although Cena needs to job more through the year and start picking up some WM victories.

Untouchable? The guy loses a fair bit. As mentioned he put Miz over and has done the same for Punk last year. However that i don't mind as WWE needs to create new stars desperately (AKA why Rock/Lesnar are needed so bad) so WWE taking a chance on younger guys i can take.

My point with the Rock is that like Hogan did with him you need to see the bigger picture of what you are leaving behind when you leave. If he would only agree to the match if he won, then i would lose respect for him as that a move for himself and not for WWE.

I know alot of you thought Cena would win, but i really failed to see how. Rock's film being promoted, In Miami, the bigger music star, the real heat between Cena/Rock and his only match of the deal all pointed a Rock victory.

I understand that Cena won't lose drawing power, but essentially he has been beaten by a guy that hasn't been in the ring for 8 years in which time without Cena WWE would have been in massive woes. He now will get dominated by Lesnar and lose to him. It doesn't only make Cena look weak but all of the dressing room as Cena has been fairly dominant for years.... so what chance do they stand.

As mentioned the better scenario would have been Cena beating the Rock and then other ex-workers coming back to take their shot at Cena. Cena could win some and lose some, but for that to work he needed to win the first one to show he belonged with the likes of Lesnar/Rock/Bret/HBK/Austin etc (which he does).

And the crazy thing is Rock's "Vision" could of still proceeded with or without the victory.

I remember eating humble pie when Rock beat Hogan as i thought Hogan would never allow himself to lose and i was rooting for the Rock. I had alot of respect for Hogan that day as that was a big day in The Rock career as was his matches with Austin at Mania. Cena has not had that sort of Epic match feel since he made HBK/HHH tap in 06/07 Mania's because no one has come with him to his level from this era.

To me he is deprived of an epic feud/match that defines his era as pretty much he is the era and that must be incredible frustrating for him and WWE and therefore their only option is to bring older guys back in an era vs era kinda deal... which because Cena is who he is will always means he will lose these big matches at Mania.

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As mentioned he put Miz over and has done the same for Punk last year. However that i don't mind as WWE needs to create new stars desperately (AKA why Rock/Lesnar are needed so bad) so WWE taking a chance on younger guys i can take.

Really?  He put over Miz?? When?  Surely you don't mean losing to him at last years Mania.  The WWE made it clear for all to see Miz wasn't in Cena's league and The Rock pretty much handed Miz the win.  It didn't do anything for The Miz as it was all about Rock and Cena, remember Rock crushing Miz and standing tall to end the show.  And just incase you weren't completely convinced, I'm pretty certain we got in to double figures for the number of times Cena beat Miz in the subsequent months.

I think The Rock match was the first time for a long time he cleanly put someone over.  Even with the Punk thing, where Punk was meant the be THE next big thing, they made it obvious to all who could see Cena had the match won, but for Vince showing up and Cena doing the "Right thing", it was his match.  And a month later, Trips didn't see his foot on the rope....

The Rock match was the first time they actually admitted, Cena wasn't the better man, which was surprising.  The Miz and Punk feuds though, nah....

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As mentioned he put Miz over and has done the same for Punk last year. However that i don't mind as WWE needs to create new stars desperately (AKA why Rock/Lesnar are needed so bad) so WWE taking a chance on younger guys i can take.

Really?  He put over Miz?? When?  Surely you don't mean losing to him at last years Mania.  The WWE made it clear for all to see Miz wasn't in Cena's league and The Rock pretty much handed Miz the win.  It didn't do anything for The Miz as it was all about Rock and Cena, remember Rock crushing Miz and standing tall to end the show.  And just incase you weren't completely convinced, I'm pretty certain we got in to double figures for the number of times Cena beat Miz in the subsequent months.

I think The Rock match was the first time for a long time he cleanly put someone over.  Even with the Punk thing, where Punk was meant the be THE next big thing, they made it obvious to all who could see Cena had the match won, but for Vince showing up and Cena doing the "Right thing", it was his match.  And a month later, Trips didn't see his foot on the rope....

The Rock match was the first time they actually admitted, Cena wasn't the better man, which was surprising.  The Miz and Punk feuds though, nah....

Sorry but to let anyone like Miz beat a star of Cena's size at Wrestlemania is putting them over. Miz still uses the win alot in promos from what i've heard.

By point is that Cena loses close on 40% of his PPV matches and considering he has been the flagship of WWE for many years with no one really from his era challenging him, thats incredibly high. Many stars that got to his level would not stand for those type of figures.

The point is this era needs a boost and Cena has tried to help get others over, but they haven't taken their chances. But letting Rock go over on Cena, just seems so silly as its basically taken it only true star and made him and all the workers look weak compared to the already more favoured era.

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I really thought Cena was out of line calling the Rock out.

Rock already did his part to build the company and he left it WAYYYYYYYYY better than when he got there. That is all u can ask.

No one can blame him for leaving to go on to a lucrative,successful movie career. Rock grew up in the business and knows better than anybody to leave while u still have your health.

He should be commended, not condemned.

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Rock already did his part to build the company and he left it WAYYYYYYYYY better than when he got there. That is all u can ask.

No one can blame him for leaving to go on to a lucrative,successful movie career. Rock grew up in the business and knows better than anybody to leave while u still have your health.

He should be commended, not condemned.

Completely agree. I don't subscribe to the people who say he owes WWE anything but at the same time i think he does talk some crap when talking about WWE. Saying things like "i'm back" and then being on TV 10 times in a year is weak and he should have more respect IMO.

If you get offered more money for less work and its better for your health, thats a no brainer, but you should also not forget the people who bust their gut week in week out like Cena who unlike Rock has has no help in his era, no real break etc.

The question is if you were booking it would you have done it that way. Its not a right or wrong answer but opinion, but in mine having Rock go over Cena was kinda stupid in the same way that Hogan going over the Rock would have been silly too.

The current guys need the rub, the victory does nothing for the Rock, but does hurt Cena.

Imagine if Cena left tomorrow and in 8 years returns to beat the biggest star on the Roster... does that not seem stupid?

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well, considering no one over 15 likes Cena, and kids are gonna keep buying his **** anyway, I think having the Rock win was fair. Especially considering what a turn off it would've been to most fans tuning in had cena won.

honestly, it would've hurt it for me, cause if Cena wins yet again, Super Cena again.. I prob wouldn't have kept watching like i have now.

Cena is untouchable. Look at HBK... no one has lost more than he has and no one thinks any less of him.